Why do mandatory DEI sessions make everyone groan—both the people they’re meant to protect and the ones who fear saying the wrong thing? In this raw conversation, Chuck Allen and Andrew Sheridan invite Leah Williams—Black woman, mother of three “game‑changers,” and veteran racial‑equity practitioner—to name the elephant in every training room: labels and unspoken expectations run the show.

Leah shares:
🏷️ How race, gender, and parent status get questioned after you’re hired
⚖️ Equality vs. equity in plain‑English (and why $75 might not be fair)
📢 The difference between “calling out” and “calling in”—and when each harms
🌍 Three arenas for real change: intrapersonal, interpersonal, communal

You’ll hear hard truths, practical frameworks (shout‑out to The Equity Lab’s “Ready Agreements”), and a challenge to replace silent judgment with messy, grace‑filled dialogue. No tidy closure—just the next step in the people work we can’t keep dodging.

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